John Fanning

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Podcast episodes are posted twice a month (mostly on Thursdays).

The first episodes are going to be on creativity, creators, black sheep, freedom, walls, perfection, family, Shakespeare, gifts, myths and lies, rejection and failure, difference and comfort zones, capitalism and much more and how they all apply to creation. All this I've gleaned from hanging out with creators from every discipline and continent for nearly twenty years at the retreat we founded in southern France.

At the end, after talking about stuff like talent, genius, notebooks, dark nights of the soul, emotional memory, bushjumping, limits, genre, encouragement, action, balance, daydreaming, enthusiasm, madness, passion, audience, patronage and perhaps ending on benevolence, I'll release all the episodes as a succinct and digestible version of my rants and ramblings in a book called Create.

Later on, I'll start interviewing creators I met and became friends with over the years at our retreat, as well as some of the inspiring people I've been meeting from around here, in Portland, Maine.

All the backlist episodes will have links below. When you click the episode you'll be able to see the show notes and recommendations too - books and albums etc.

If you find the show valuable and you'd like to help support it, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It's 2 shows a month, with extra interview shows popping up now and then.

Episode 27: Emotions, Feelings & Emotional Memory
Episode 26: Acceptance & Change
Episode 25: Awareness, Sacredness & Distractions
Episode 24: Process, Retreats & Dark Nights of the Soul
Episode 23: Balance, Health & Notebooks
Episode 22: Limits, Genre & Numbers
Episode 21: Focus & Creativity
Episode 20: Work & Creativity
Episode 19: Mentors & Talent Borrows, Genius Steals
Episode 18: Enthusiasm, Passion & Madness
Episode 17: The Dancer & the Dance
Episode 16: Rejection & Failure
Episode 15: Doors & the Cave
Episode 14: Captialism & Creativity
Episode 13: Ageism, Retirement & Creativity
Episode 12: Courage, Trolls & Human Walls
Episode 11: Myths, Lies & Creativity
Episode 10: Perfection, Shakespeare & Creativity
Episode 9: Genius, Talent, Originality & Gifts
Episode 8: Black Sheep, Difference & Creativity
Episode 7: Lexical Prisons, Imagination & Creativity
Episode 6: School, Education, Imagination & Creativity
Episode 5: Imagination & Creativity
Episode 4: Family, Friends & Villains
Episode 3: Walls & Creativity
Episode 2: Creativity & What is a Creator?
Episode 1: Introduction to Create & Creativity

Episode 22: Limits, Genre and Numbers

October 29, 2020 By John Fanning

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And that, of course, is the lingering problem: The maintenance of an arbitrary division between “literature” and “genre,” the refusal to admit that every piece of fiction belongs to a genre, or several genres. There are very real differences between science fiction and realistic fiction, between horror and fantasy, between romance and mystery. Differences in writing them, in reading them, in criticizing them. Vive les différences! They’re what gives each genre its singular flavor and savor, its particular interest for the reader — and the writer. But when the characteristics of a genre are controlled, systematized, and insisted upon by publishers, or editors, or critics, they become limitations rather than possibilities. Salability, repeatability, expectability replace quality. A literary form degenerates into a formula. Hack writers get into the baloney factory production line, Hollywood devours and regurgitates the baloney, and the genre soon is judged by its lowest common denominator…. And we have the situation as it was from the 1940’s to the turn of the century: “genre” used not as a useful descriptor, but as a negative judgment, a dismissal.

That’s a quote from a conversation the American writer Ursula K. Le Guin had with another American writer Michael Cunningham back in 2016 for Electric Literature.

I’m John Fanning and this is the Create with John Fanning podcast. 

How’s it goin out there. Hope all is well.

This is Episode 22 of my series of episodes on the Imagination, based around my book Create. 

Last time I spoke about keeping the non-essential behind the damn bushes, and how it’s important to remember, focus doesn’t have to be an eight hour work day. It can be as little as fifteen minutes a day. As long as they are fifteen focused minutes, every day.

So today I want to talk about limits, limits and limitations, how something doesn’t have to be generic because you are aware of genre, so it remains useful as Le Guin called“genre” a descriptor, and not “a negative judgment, a dismissal.”

An American novelist came to La Muse ten years ago. He was just starting out, and he was lost. The structure of his novel was driving him crazy. He asked me to help him. It was a historical novel and he’d been researching for nine months, all over the south of the United States. We talked about the main acts of the story, his flawed hero, a little about the stages of each act and then I got him to put it on a wall, visually. 

Faulkner used to do the same thing. He’d actually write the outlines of his novels onto the wall, much to the dismay of his wife, to “see” the book, to look at it in a different way. Screenwriters do this when they beat out the acts of a screenplay by putting all the major scenes on cards, and then onto a cork board. I’ll never forget the first time I went into a screenwriter’s room a week into a retreat. It had post-its everywhere, each act in different colors.

Anyway, I listened to the American novelist and tried to figure out what he had so far, what the ingredients of his genre he already had. After about fifteen minutes, he stopped talking.

“Where’s your midpoint?” I asked. 

After a moment, he said “I don’t know.”

“What’s your inciting incident again, your catalyst?”

Again, after a few moments, he said, “I’ve no idea.”

Thirty minutes later he realized what he thought was a whole novel was only half a novel. The ending he had in his head was really only the midpoint of the novel. Instead of a heroine who was going to evolve he was going to have “an emotional crazy person” (his words) at the end.  It was all in front of him, on the wall, staring back at him, on post-its, not on his computer screen. For the next three weeks he changed, edited and added to his wall. 

When he was leaving he said, “You know the best thing I got out of all this?”

“What?” I asked.

“Limits. And better, to know what bits were missing.”

If everything is limitless, we can’t create. Creation needs form, or forms. We can de-form, con-form or trans-form through our creations but you still need form, limits.

Shakespeare not only wrote plays with stories, but he also wrote in iambic pentameter. To read his plays you would think it’s simply characters talking in beautiful prose, but behind those words there are limits, each line couched in a five-feeted poetic structure. 

However, creation is not always maths. Giving creation “axiomatic” interpretations and definitions, as in maths, is like saying a sonnet is a sonnet only if it’s a,b,a,b,a, etc., as in a Petrarchan or Italian sonnet. But this would mean Dante’s creation of an a,a,b,a,a,b, etc. sonnet is not the true form, or, is incorrect. And if the sonnet had stayed “axiomatic” then we would never have had the Occitan sonnet, or the Shakespearean, or English sonnet, never mind the Urdu sonnet or contemporary free verse sonnets.

Everything has limits, but a lot of limits are invisible. Poetry is a great example, from sonnets to villanelles, with structures and limits in words and lines. 

A business plan starts with an introduction, thesis, anti-thesis and new thesis. A car has an engine, wheels, seats. A screenplay has an Act One, its Catalyst, an Act Two, a B Story, a midpoint, an All is Lost moment, and a Third Act Finale. Novels have limits too, and specific novels have specific limits, or ingredients like that American novelists’ historical novel. For example, if you’re writing a detective novel then there are certain ingredients — an unusual detective, a femme fatale, some red herrings, and of course a murder to be solved. These are basic ingredients, or limits.

I like to think of it like a recipe. An omelette without eggs is not an omelette. Everyone knows what a cheese omelette is. You could call this your Sherlock Holmes detective novel. Then there’s a western omelette, with different ingredients, say an Agatha Christie whodunnit/whydunnit, which is a different kind of recipe. Now take that omelette and put it in an oven with even more ingredients and you have a “frittata”, a Leonardo Sciascia detective novel. Put a base under your frittata omelette and you get a quiche, say a “quiche Lorraine”, and you get a completely different kind of detective novel, a Maigret or Raymond Chandler novel. 

The point? You start off with the basic ingredients. Eggs or eggs and milk. With a detective novel, you start off with a detective and a murder. If you start writing a detective novel without an unusual detective, without a murder, then you’re creating something completely different. So, you have to know your genre even if it’s only at a basic level. If you’re writing a horror movie, you better know the limits, the basic invisible recipe of the genre before writing your own. What you add to it afterwards is up to you. But you have to have limits.

What I’m trying to get at is that this applies to nearly any creation. You could start a business, like we did with La Muse. But how much easier it would have been if we had created it with a recipe – a business plan – with market research, a marketing campaign, financial projections. It would have alleviated a lot of stress, and we wouldn’t have had to learn the hard way, by making mistakes, and having to pay the consequences, literally, over the years. 

I’m reminded of an old Classics lecturer of mine who used to talk a lot about the Alexandrian idea of “beads on a string”. When someone would go on retreat to La Muse to write a book of non-fiction, a memoir,  or novel, and they were stuck, but were also resistant to talking about recipes or genres or plans, I usually ended up talking to them about beads on a string. Oftentimes, they’ve been writing their memoir for years and they were stuck because they didn’t know where it started, how it finished, what to leave in, what to leave out. They had the voice and all the key moments, but they didn’t know how to organize it all.

As opposed to talking about acts and beats and genre we talked about whether a passage about childhood would be a red bead. A chapter about being an adult, what colored bead? A paragraph about growing old, what different colored bead? This way they engaged with limits and genre without getting “overwhelmed” by what they saw as “over technical structures”. They started to see their story visually, like how I just described Faulkner doing. They realized they had too many red beads, or that some yellow beads are at the beginning when they should be at the end. And eventually, by the end of the process they’d worked out how their book should be constructed, and how all the beads are threaded together to make a beautifully symmetrical necklace, like Vergil’s Eclogues, Shakespeare’s plays Beethoven’s symphonies, organized, with highs, lows and an ending.

Your book, business, goal, will fail if it does not have a plan based on a recipe, genre, or beads on a string. It saves you so much time when you know the limits, the basic ingredients of your creation. You don’t have to get into the minutiae but if you have limitless avenues, you go down all of them. If you’re focused, like the examples I gave in the last episode, and learn one thing really well, change it or adapt it into your creation, then you will get there a lot quicker. Everything has a structure, ingredients. Know the structures of your field. Know the limits of your field but don’t get bogged down in the numbers.

Which leads me to another thing. Some creators love numbers. But a lot get anxious and frustrated by numbers. An example I used to hear at our retreat all the time: “I wrote my 3000 words today.” 

This drives me crazy. I have enough numbers in my life without stuffing consumerism in the creative part of my life. I want the right side of my brain, the creative side, working. The left side of my brain does enough counting the rest of the day. Adding up bills. Looking at the bank account. Counting how many liters of milk we have left in the fridge. 

The only numbers I look at are the clock. Every twenty minutes or so, I get up. Move the body. Take off the glasses. Right my vision again, by looking at the horizon, not the blue screen. When I’m working on a project, away from the day job, every three to four hours, I eat, or go for a long walk. I get diminishing returns if I stay seated for more than four hours. I find it harder to return to the desk. I feel more tired the next day. This way I know I’ve done my work, irrespective of whether it’s 10 words or ten thousand, and this relives a lot of anxiety.

This is my process. Everyone has to find their own. Some people like word counts, but not me. I think it creates stress. What I think is more important is to know your time process. Some people work early in the morning, like Auden. Others are like Dostoyevsky. They work late at night. Some work eight hours a day, others one hour a day.  Again, we’re all different, but if we’re consistent with our time, focused, then the numbers will not create walls of pressure and stress.

Forget numbers, discover your time process instead, and set yourself goals. My goal is four hours a day when working on a new project. Sometimes this is not possible. Life can get in the way. But I don’t stress about it now. I wait, and the new goal is to set my process up again, when the move, relationship, change has transitioned into a more stable time.

Benjamin Franklin used to set a goal for each day and at the end of the day he would ask himself had he achieved it. If not, he would analyze why he hadn’t achieved it. The next day he would start all over again. Many other creators do the same thing. The actor Matthew McConaughey does the same thing. 

Another part of this is by forgetting the numbers I’m able to be always working on the next goal. While one book, house, project is being created I’m already taking notes for the next ones. Goals create focus and positive thoughts because as the years pass you see what you’ve achieved. Again, as with focus, there has to be limits, some kind of a plan because no plan ever works out the way you wanted it to, but if you don’t plan you’ll never achieve any of your goals.

A long term goal is when you see far off into the horizon. Everything you are doing today is a part of getting to that end target, away from the limits of the reality around us. It’s like a game of soccer. You keep making passes until one day at the end of the field you score a goal. The amount of goals you score is up to you, fate, and it’s never a feat done in one kick. It’s about looking into the future at where you want to be. 

What age are you now? Add ten years to it. Where do you want to be at that age? How many books, paintings, clients, do you want to have by then? Now, go out in years. Year 1, 2 and so on. “In five years I’ll have this done.”

Lucas, Gehry, Musk had goals. As opposed to seeing problems they look for solutions. Lucas: How do we make the special effects for “Star Wars”? There’s no company that does it. Create one to do it. Gehry: How do we make a building bend? Use different materials in ingenious ways. Musk: How do we get off fossil fuels? Create inter-related businesses to supply houses and transport with energy using the houses and the sun. 

None of these creations came out of thin air. They were planned and these creators looked at the limits in their field and changed their genres. They created long term goals that were realized. Most people believed these creators would never achieve their goals, but with time, they did. 

So, have patience. “Instant gratification” does not exist, only moment to moment “joy” in creating. Plan long term, and work short term on understanding the limits of what you create to understand the basics so you can add, enhance the genre, the field that inspires you.

So thanks for listening. I started with a quote from an American writer, but as I always I’m going to end this episode with an Irish proverb. This one literally means: Practice makes mastery.

Cleachtadh a dhéanann maistreacht.

This podcast is supported by you the listener via my Patreon page. If ya want to support the podcast and help me get paid for doing it then please head over to patreon.com/johnfanning where you can get early and ad free access as well as extra episodes when ya sign up. Ifya can afford it then give me the cost of a price of a cup of tea or pint once a month. Ifya can’t afford it that’s grand too, ya can listen for free, but please subscribe to it on iTunes or wherever you listen to it and leave a review on itunes too or wherever ya listen to it and let your friends know about it so the listenership grows. Thank you! And thanks for listening. If you’re looking for more episodes you can find them on all the usual places like iTunes – or on my website at johnfanning.me under “podcast” where I’ve put up overview transcripts with links to all the people and ideas I mention. If you’re into social stuff and you’re looking to engage with me one-on-one, check me out on twitter @fanning_j and instagram @ johnfanning_. It’s been great sharing stuff with you today so until next time take care out there and do the work but above all be benevolent when you can!

Slán libh agus go n-éirí an bóthar libh.

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Episode 21: Focus and Creativity

October 15, 2020 By John Fanning

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“Always remember, your focus determines your reality.”

That’s a quote from the character of Master Qui-Gon, in “Star Wars, Episode I, The Phantom Menace, written by American writer, director and producer, George Lucas. More on that later.

I’m John Fanning and this is the Create with John Fanning podcast.

How’s it goin out there. Hope all is well.

This is Episode 21 of my series of episodes on the Imagination, based around my book Create.

Last time I spoke about doing the work, about doing the same thing every day, over time, can be very productive. Which brings me to what I want to talk about today, focus. As I said last time, if you’re focused on the work, and work consistently, then the book appears, the project gets done, the Imagination mysteriously steps into reality in front of you as a creation.

The best way to talk about pig headed stubbornness would be my own path because my own background had nothing to do with creation. There were no books in our house, no music, no creators in the family or extended family. My schooling had nothing to do with creation. So, what did I do? I did it anyway. Again, I’m stubborn. I got involved with writing anyway, irrespective.

I asked people who came into the coffee shop where I worked in the East Village how they got their work out there, when they hadn’t gone to the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, or Harvard or Yale. They told me I had to get an agent.

I finally got a wonderful agent, at one of the biggest agencies in Los Angeles, when I was working as a copy writer for an insane advertising agency in Alaska. Myself and my wife went out and partied. Finally, one of my novels was going to get out into the world. Two years later: my agent had sent the novel out to over sixty publishers. I lost count. We got answers back like: “Fanning’s work is very innovative, fresh, talented, but we have an Irish novel on our list already.” I told her to stop sending me the rejections.

Years later I got a second agent, for a different novel. He was a former publisher turned agent working for one of the biggest agencies in New York. His friend, then a deputy editor at “Vanity Fair”, had recommended my novel. What happened? Myself and my wife went out to celebrate again. Two years later, I had lost count of the number of rejections after thirty. After returning to publishing, my agent went on to work in politics in DC. I still like to think it’s because he was so disillusioned with the publishing industry.


What did I do? I stayed focused. I kept writing. What some might call pig-headedness, kept me going. My first novel was published when I was 45.
To make matters worse, we created a place for people to do the same thing, create, in a foreign country, where I didn’t speak the language, in the middle of nowhere, on credit cards, with again, no experience. And of course, now we’ve created another place, where people can get their writing out into the world.


Sometimes you’ve got to take matters into your own hands. Creation is not just about creating something. It’s about your mind, your mentality, your focus. You change your mind and you can change your life. Change your mental attitude: It’s not if, it’s when.


You loose yourself in what you love creating, by keeping focused. It’s easy not to create when you say you can’t create. You have to keep your focus. Keep moving forward. Stick to it. Especially when it’s not going well.


A friend of mine once told me she wasn’t creative. I asked her why she thought this. “Because I tried to paint when I was younger,” she said. “I was useless.” I asked her how long she did it for. A day she said.
This is not focus. How can you say you’re not creative after a day? That’s crazy. She didn’t understand that she is extremely creative, in her businesses, or that she could be both, a painter and a businesswoman. Both are creative. If she’d give even five percent of the focus she gave to her businesses to painting then I’m sure her paintings would be on walls.
So, by being focused, by doing, repeating, we find out the how of the question “Can I create?” The response is always going be yes, if you allow yourself to focus on what it is you want to do.

Which gets me back to the quote I started with: “Always remember, your focus determines your reality.” George Lucas, a self described introvert, wrote those words. “The Star Wars” movies, and franchise, has made over $47 billion, and counting. But what is the story behind the story? Well, most producers didn’t like Lucas’ story idea. They said it was for kids, that nobody wanted to watch science fiction movies. They said it was “a little strange”. When Lucas did get a budget, it was drastically under what he needed. The producers didn’t go for it because of the story idea, but because one of them, Alan Ladd, believed in Lucas, not the movie.


Lucas started writing, eight hours a day, and ended up taking a huge pay cut to direct. Then there was the fact that there were no special effects back then. Did that stop him? No. He created the motion picture visual effects company, Industrial Light & Magic. (He later sold this company for over $4 billion — yes, not million — to Disney).


It goes on. He had to reuse props and costumes from other movies because he had no money. The actors wouldn’t do any overtime. Seemingly, they all thought it was going to be a failure. Then he resigned from the Director’s Guild in disgust because they didn’t want him to have the title sequence he wanted. They made him pay a fine. And, when he finally finished editing, he didn’t like the finished movie. Yes, he went back and re-edited it, even though it cost a fortune. And did it end there? Of course not. When they released the movie, they hardly distributed it.


That’s focus. That’s discipline. You go deeply into the creation, ignoring all rejections, all failure, all distractions. No matter how hard it is to persist, you have to persist. No matter how hard it is to leave everyone behind, you have to leave them, to a point.


People check their smartphones about fifty times a day in Ireland, even more in America. You can’t splinter your focus. Any great creator you respect was, is focused. They’re not on their smartphone. Would Lucas, Musk, Gates stop creating if their phone pings? They turn the thing off. They put it in a different room, space. They mastered what they mastered by being dogged. They didn’t work on the surface, they dived into what they loved. Nothing distracted them.


And what happens when you do this?


You might be seen as a weirdo, like the black sheep I mentioned earlier. “What do you mean you want to repair old cars on the weekend? But you’re not getting paid to rebuild old cars.” “Your three hundred and fifty page novel is more important than going to the beach?”
Nobody who ever created anything to a high level has ever been seen as “normal”, while they were trying to get their creation off the ground, and even afterwards. When we were starting our retreat in the middle of nowhere nearly two decades ago, people thought we were mad.
“You’re crazy. You don’t speak French.”
“What do you know about the hospitality business, about composers and artists and directors?”
“You’ve no family or friends there. Nobody you know.”


It’s only now that people see our retreat as a success, after the fact.
You have to stay focused. Don’t let people make you think you’re selfish, ruthless. You’re not. You’re just being focused on your craft. You’re into what you’re doing, what you love.


DaVinci was a near recluse. He was compulsive. Did it stop him inventing, painting? Does Gates still look like a nerd? Yes. Did that stop him creating Microsoft, his foundation? Did wearing the same clothes every day stop Einstein coming up with the General Theory of Relativity? Flaubert was still living with his mother at the age of 35, hardly going out. He was obsessed with writing, or more, re-writing “Madame Bovary”.
To use a made up phrase found in Margaret Atwood’s novel “The Handmaid’s Tale”: “nolite te bastardes carborundorum” — “Don’t let the bastards grind you down.”


So what if you miss watching TV and playing video games. So what if you stay up all night writing your screenplay while the kids are asleep. So what if you forget what time it is, where you are, when you’re creating something you love.


You focus because you have to. And because of that focus you put something out into the world that will benefit you first, by enjoying the process, and then your community, and hopefully the wider world.
How do you stay focused? One word: “No.” You can say it nicely.
“No, thank you. I’m sorry, I can’t do that. I’ve got work to do. If you say “yes” to everything, you lose your focus. You have to prioritize.
Which is more important, to create, or to try to please everybody all the time? It doesn’t mean you have to say no to the most important things or people in your life. It means you have to know what or who are the most important things in your life.


For me, it’s writing and my family. I’m not perfect. I try to carve out time every day to write. I also try to spend time with my family, individually, and together. These are the most important things to me. I focus on them.
Also, focus can be fifteen minutes every day. It doesn’t have to be eight hours a day. Fifteen minutes adds up. To hours, to days, to weeks and months of creation. That’s how this book was written, over years. Writing in the car waiting for people. On planes, trains. On a hike. In the morning before breakfast. After yoga. During yoga. And with time, those fifteen minutes become very valuable because they give you time to really ponder, meditate on what you’re creating.


A good Australian friend of mine read a draft of one of my novels. He loved it. Yes, I was very happy. Until he got to the parts he didn’t love.
“What the hell is this?” he said. “You, you’re not focused! You’re jumping out of the bushes. You can’t do that. Stop. I want to read the story. I don’t want to read your beautifully written opinions or hopes for the planet and humanity. I’m a reader. I want to know what the hell is going to happen to the protagonist, not have a cup of tea with Fanning, who’s just jumped out of the bushes.”

He advised me to go over that chapter again. It went from nearly forty pages to seven. Ever since then, we call each other out, although 98% of the time it’s him calling me out, for bushjumping — when I lose focus, get in the way of what I’m creating.


You have to know how to hide yourself from your creations. The reader, watcher, client, buyer doesn’t want to know your life story — unless you’re writing memoir, non-fiction, or a book like this. They want focus. They want to buy, watch, use, read the thing you’ve created. The creative doesn’t care about your “opinion”, unless it’s in some way related to the work, the building, the painting, the software, the novel. They care about the protagonist, the colors, the movement of the building, the facility of the program, how much the business will make.


What can you do? We’re all blind a lot of the time to our own opinions. It’s part of the job. That’s why we need beta readers, focus groups, curators, editors, other creators to help us focus. We need feedback.

So, keep the non-essential behind the damn bushes, and remember, focus is not an eight hour work day. It can be as little as fifteen minutes a day. As long as they are fifteen focused minutes, every day.

So thanks for listening. I started with a quote from an American writer and director, but as I always do I’m going to end this episode with an Irish proverb. This one literally means:

There is no prosperity unless there is discipline.

Ní bhíonn an rath, ach mara mbíonn an smacht.

This podcast is supported by you the listener via my Patreon page. If ya want to support the podcast and help me get paid for doing it then please head over to patreon.com/johnfanning where you can get early and ad free access as well as extra episodes when ya sign up. Ifya can afford it then give me the cost of a price of a cup of tea or pint once a month. Ifya can’t afford it that’s grand too, ya can listen for free, but please subscribe to it on iTunes or wherever you listen to it and leave a review on itunes too or wherever ya listen to it and let your friends know about it so the listenership grows. Thank you! And thanks for listening. If you’re looking for more episodes you can find them on all the usual places like iTunes – or on my website at johnfanning.me under “podcast” where I’ve put up overview transcripts with links to all the people and ideas I mention. If you’re into social stuff and you’re looking to engage with me one-on-one, check me out on twitter @fanning_j and instagram @ johnfanning_. It’s been great sharing stuff with you today so until next time take care out there and do the work but above all be benevolent when you can!

Slán libh agus go n-éirí an bóthar libh.

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Episode 20: Work and Creativity

October 1, 2020 By John Fanning

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The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.

That’s a quote from The Analects attributed to the Chinese philosopher Confucius.

I’m John Fanning and this is the Create with John Fanning podcast.

How’s it goin out there. Hope all is well.

This is Episode 20 of my series of episodes on the Imagination, based around my book Create.

Last time I spoke about Mentors and the idea of how Talent Borrows and Genius Steals. How mentors, even dead ones, or especially dead ones, can be a Door to inspiration by copying and learning, again and again, from those who’ve gone before us, to embrace the Imagination, and move towards creation, not away from it. As I said before, you may not find too many mentors, but when you find even one they can inspire you, enthuse you with passion and positive madness, because in the end mentors are friends – they’re there when you’re dejected and down from rejection, or whatever other Wall is stopping you from creating.

So today I want to talk about something that’s very much attached to apprenticeship to a creative practice, to the journey of learning your craft, and that’s work, because if you don’t work at what you’re into, moving the mountain, stone by stone, then you can never thrive at what you love, or strive to mastering what you love, things I talked a lot about in the last episode. Works and work become one because the works will not come without the work. When we create, when we first draft our creation it is most of the time not fully formed. It needs to be worked on, because it has come out of the enthusiastic madness and blindness of seeing inspiration. The creation comes out of the ether, unconscious, emotions, impulses, spirit, whatever you want to call it. One thing leads to another, for me it can be one word leading into another, or one phrase or sentence into another. For an artist she could be simply following the movement of the brush on the canvas. This primary flow state brings joy. It is seductive. It is oftentimes the fun part, the healing part, of our imagination. It’s mysterious. Out of nowhere the book, painting, sculpture has appeared. But when it appears then the other work starts. The work of thinking. The work of reason. The questions arrive. Do I need to work more on this, or that. Does this need to go or be expanded upon?

So, there’s something I want to clarify here: Work is work, not a job. A job is what you do in order to do your own work. A job earns money, pays the rent. Your work, your creative work, will not always pay, depending on what it is you’re into – that will not happen after a few days or weeks. Most creators only start to make money creating after years, and oftentimes decades. The contemporary myth that you can make money from your work after a degree or a few years creating is simply not true. Yes, there are those that win the literary lottery and get high six figures for a novel, or sell out their first show on Manhattan, but for most creators this is not the case. To get a living wage from the arts, from creating, will take time, a lot of it. So, your work, again, not your job, is what feeds your soul. By apprenticing yourself, as I said in the last episode, either to Gladwell’s 10,000 hours or a Guild of old’s 7 to ten years, by becoming a journeyman, then some day you will become a Master, the one that makes the money.

So, in the interim, make sure the work is the reward itself, that whole idea of the journey and the destination. If you only think of the destination then the creative journey will be lost to you, the ten to twenty years will be lost to you. Your work will test you. It has to. Otherwise, how would you be learning, getting better. Again, the work is not your job, but this doesn’t mean you can’t be creative in your job too. I love renovating old buildings. I think it’s fun. Some people love it even more than I do, that’s their primary work. The important thing is to understand the distinction between your work and your job. You can love your job, but it’s not always your work and vice versa.

We were inspired by so many of the people that came to us at our retreat in the south of France about this idea of work, and how to approach it. One former Muser, a landscape architect and photographer from Oregon, approaches his life like any of the large gardens he creates: He talks about how he turns the dirt over here and spreads compost over there. He trims the hedges on this project and spreads some seeds on that one. He does a little watering over here and weeds a bit over there. Over a period of time, he enjoys watching his projects, his works, grow. He organizes his life in the same way. He says different facets of his life are consistently tended to and allowed to take their own shape.

Stephen Pressfield, a writer I enjoy has written a book called Do the Work. I completely agree. You have to do the work. Like this podcast. I have to put in the work, over time. I have to be consistent. I have to put the research in. Plan it. Edit my thoughts. Change. Evolve. Because the work always evolves, but the time spent on it does not change. It is consistent. Pressfield would never have finished a book if he didn’t plant his posterior at his desk every day for a specific amount of time, to do the work. For myself, I wouldn’t be up to this episode, number 20, if I hadn’t planted my posterior on the seat too, entered the private space to get inspired and work on what comes to make it better.

I love the way work ends at 4 for a lot of places in Maine. Yes, they might start at 6 or 7, but they end at 3 or 4, so they have time to live. That’s a work ethic. I’m not saying you have to create for that long every day but there has to be a work ethic, otherwise the creation literally cannot come. To paraphrase Thomas Edison, 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration. The American artist Chuck Close has the same kind of understanding, what he calls his “way of operating,” equating creativity with work ethic. He says:

Inspiration is for amateurs — the rest of us just show up and get to work.

When my daughter was 9 years old I was listening to her play her cello, until she stopped. She surprised me by pausing for a moment to look out the window until she said this: “Dad, you know, Mozart wrote his first symphony when he was my age.” She was smiling, all excited. I was making crepes. She’s addicted to crepes. How was I to approach this? Mozart was a workaholic. When he was 28 years old his hands were deformed. He was completing works right before they had to be performed to keep his family fed. I told her, “He was a very hard worker. Sometimes you have to work very hard to get things like that created.”

Again, this might sound facile, but you’ve got to do the work. You want to be a painter. Paint. You want to be an architect. Design. You want to be a mechanic. Repair.


Do the work. Make mistakes. Repeat. Until some day, there’ll be a painting, house, car, standing in front of you you’re proud of, until you do the work again, and create another one, hopefully a better one.

Creators use inspiration but for the most part it’s Edisonian perspiration. You have to put your ass on the seat or in front of the easel. Prodigies like Mozart are rare, but even prodigies work hard. Your work ethic doesn’t have to be like Mozart’s, but there has to be one. We can be just as persistent as long as we remain balanced, allowing ourselves to daydream and play too.

Yes, we all have to work for the man, at some stage, unless we’re independently wealthy. Yes, it can be exhausting. The treadmill. But, what you create can also help you through your day job. Don’t let your day job define you. My wife, Kerry, didn’t want to be defined by her job at a style magazine. She didn’t want working until very late at night to stop her writing, so she’d get up at five in the morning, write, and then run. She chose not to go to parties, and when she did she was very selective.

You don’t have to create what you love all day long. It can simply be a couple of hours out of every week.

This does not mean you work all the time. A wise business friend of mine once told me a story. An acquaintance of his, the CEO of one of the biggest companies in France, was once asked, “How can you take the whole month of August off and still get so much work done?” He said, “I do thirteen months of work in eleven, but I could never do thirteen months in twelve.”

Our work is better if we play, if we have down time. Google and 3M, as well as many other companies understand this now. So, make sure you have down time, but do the work too when you’re supposed to be working. Be consistent.

And another thing: can you allow yourself to be joyful? Sound crazy? Think about it for a second. What are you going to lose by doing the work for you, too? It could be a laugh to respect your dreams, and value your own feelings. Thirty years from now, will you be more upset that you didn’t make the effort to at least try to create what you love? Potential is one thing, doing is another. We learn by doing. By making mistakes, and with time we get better. That’s work.

As I said so many times in the first half of this podcast, we build many Walls not to do creative work, one of the biggest being: “I can’t abandon my family, my job, etc.” It’s not about one or the other. It’s about routine and starting small.

An example: Alice Munro wrote in her laundry room in between washes, meals and raising children. These moments and minutes added up to stories, and books and a Nobel prize. She created what she could, with what she had. You don’t need a recording studio to record your songs. The Walls want a recording studio in Nashville or a writing office at the end of the garden, or a huge white studio in the garage. Creation wants consistency, to allow inspiration to appear, and to allow that inspiration to be worked on again the next day or the day after that.

A distinction: Work is a frame of mind. The carpenter or mason who goes to work as a drudge are not the same as the carpenter or mason who goes to work because they love their job. Then it’s not a day job. Then they’re being creators. When they build a house, a chair, a wall, they’re creating, not working.

There is no set amount of work that has to be done, X amount of plays or poems. Shakespeare didn’t say, I’m going to write X amount of tragedies and X amount of comedies. He just wrote what he wrote. He did the work. He wrote nearly every day. Blake didn’t think, Oh, I’m going to write “The Songs of Innocence and Experience”. He wrote the poems. They became the collection. He did his work and it became what it became.

Doing the same thing every day, over time, can be very productive. So, work every day. Be focused, something I’ll talk about in the next episode. If you’re focused on the work, and work consistently, then the book appears, the project gets done, the Imagination mysteriously steps into reality in front of you as a creation.

So thanks for listening. I started with a quote from a Chinese philosopher, but as I always do I’m going to end this episode with an Irish proverb. This one literally means:

Work is better than talk.

Is fear blair ná caint.

This podcast is supported by you the listener via my Patreon page. If ya want to support the podcast and help me get paid for doing it then please head over to patreon.com/johnfanning where you can get early and ad free access as well as extra episodes when ya sign up. Ifya can afford it then give me the cost of a price of a cup of tea or pint once a month. Ifya can’t afford it that’s grand too, ya can listen for free, but please subscribe to it on iTunes or wherever you listen to it and leave a review on itunes too or wherever ya listen to it and let your friends know about it so the listenership grows. Thank you! And thanks for listening. If you’re looking for more episodes you can find them on all the usual places like iTunes – or on my website at johnfanning.me under “podcast” where I’ve put up overview transcripts with links to all the people and ideas I mention. If you’re into social stuff and you’re looking to engage with me one-on-one, check me out on twitter @fanning_j and instagram @ johnfanning_. It’s been great sharing stuff with you today so until next time take care out there and do the work but above all be benevolent when you can!

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Episode 19: Mentors and Talent Borrows, Genius Steals

September 17, 2020 By John Fanning

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“No one can arrive from being talented alone. God gives talent, work transforms talent into genius.”

talent mentors mentor genius

That’s a quote from Russian ballet dancer Anna Pavlova from the 1956 book “Pavlova: A Biography” edited by A. H. Franks in collaboration with members of the Pavlova Commemoration Committee.

I’m John Fanning and this is the Create with John Fanning podcast.

How’s it goin out there. Hope all is well.

This is Episode 19 of my series of episodes on creativity, based around my book Create.

Last time I spoke about Enthusiasm, Passion & Madness, about looking for mentors, peers who are enthusiastic, inspired, passionate, mad! Black sheep. How they can help dissolve the Walls of lexical prisons by being enthusiastic, passionate, mad, by embracing the Imagination, moving towards it, not away from it. You may not find too many of them, but when you find one they inspire you, enthuse you with passion and positive madness, because in the end mentors are like friends. They’re there when you’re dejected and down from rejection, or whatever other Wall is stopping you from creating.

So today I want to get into this more, this idea of mentors, and how talent borrows but genius steals, and how mentors don’t have to be alive to inspire us. Their works, their creations are always there, if we only take them up to read, listen to, enjoy and get inspired from.

Influences. Who or what are your influences? When I’m down, when I can’t create, I read. Who do I read? People I love, the masters in my field. Why? Because these other writers are my greatest mentors. They effect me deeply, and when I’m effected deeply the need arises in me again, to create. They make me want to create art again.

Malcolm Gladwell has a famous book, Outliers, where he writes about how it takes the “ten-thousand-hour-rule” to begin to master your craft, your creation, that being about the amount of time it takes most of us to get good at something. Everyone sees Gladwell’s idea as innovative, new. Well, in truth, it’s been around for thousands of years.

Today, before you become a master electrician you have to become a journeyman first. The word journeyman has taken on negative affiliations today, mainly because people are unaware of what a journeyman really is, and was.

Before becoming a journeyman you become an apprentice first. This language comes from the time of the guilds, especially the Florentine guilds of the 12th century and later, but hasn’t stayed on in arts as it has in some building trades. Artists were actually part of other guilds, but the point is the idea of apprenticeship. For example, in Venice, after two years you could move on to becoming a journeyman whereas in Padua you had to do three years. Your master – basically an old school word for what we call a mentor today, begrudgingly – took you in when you were young as an apprenticeship into what they still call a shop in the trades even today. Michelangelo entered the shop, or workshop of Ghirlandaio when he was thirteen. Like all the other apprentices he was a “garzoni”, workshop boy, an apprentice, starting at the bottom, preparing panels or grinding pigments, growing his skills with the years. Then they would draw, create works, but not from life, but by copying, learning from the masters. Michelangelo would copy the paintings of Giotto in the Santa Croce church in Florence and he would have been told to go elsewhere too to copy when commissions brought their masters to other cities, especially to Rome where so many masters had left their marks.

Here in the states an electrician, machinist, carpenter, or plumber usually needs a state or local license as a journeyman or master. The license means they’ve put in their time, what Gladwell calls 10,000 hours.

So, to become a journeyman of a creative pursuit, just like an electrician, or the schools of centuries ago like the Italian shops or bodegas we have to first apprentice ourselves to what we are passionate about. We have to put in the time, until we become a journeyman, and hopefully, one day, a master.

The word journey actually comes from the French word for day, journée. To a journeyman it meant you could charge money for a day’s work. An apprentice however, usually doesn’t get paid a days wage. Instead they got lodging and food and maybe a small stipend for about seven years or so, from a master, because a journeyman wasn’t allowed to employ others. So the title “journeyman” refers to the right to charge a fee for each day’s work.

Of course journey man also meant you moved. From place to place for work. These ambulant artisans are called “compagnons” in France and since the Middle Ages they’ve been traveling all around France as the Compagnons du Devoir et du Tour de France. Their technical education means they have to take a Tour de France, apprenticing to masters to learn a trade but also being part of a community of artisans.

So, talent is nothing if you don’t put in the time, 10,000 hours as Gladwell would put it, or 7 or 8 years like an apprentice. But even after we’ve put in the time of the apprenticeship we have to become the journeyman. We have to find masters to work for, day to day, so we can master our art, all the time learning our craft from the dead masters, who’s work, creations are on the walls of churchs and buildings wherever we go, if we look.

This is not something only for artists and sculptors. The Beatles found a mentor, a master very early in their career. People say it was their business manager Brian Epstein that catapulted them into success, but this is ignoring probably their greatest mentor, George Martin. Early on, The Beatles put in the hours, apprenticing themselves to Martin but also by learning from others, or learn by doing, and journeying to Hamburg. The 4 young English men in a band who played every night in Hamburg came back not as a band, but as The Beatles. Their apprenticeship was put in over in Hamburg. It’s hard work. It takes a long time. Like Shakespeare with his plays being tested in the provinces before being put on for the King, the Beatles were tested and changed in front of an audience, night in night out, until songs like a “Hard Days Night” came out of the actual act of creating to an audience, learning on the job. In an interview on Desert Island Discs later in life George Martin said he didn’t really think much of them musically when he first met John, Ringo, Paul and George. But he still signed them to Parlophone because he taught they were funny, and that he’d just give them a chance because he could. And from there on out they had one of their great mentors. He taught them so much and added so much classical music to their songs to create completely new kinds of songs. So, a mentor can literally pull you out of obscurity and evolve your talent.

Sherwood Anderson and Ernest Hemingway had the same thing in Paris. Instead of a stage to learn on they had the salon of Gertrude Stein. Hemingway always talked about being in his room to do the work, but never mentions the community he had to get better by discussing his work, like people do in MFA programs, or Improv sessions, or workshops. When we get honest constructive feedback, we get better.

So, until recently people used to apprentice themselves to a guild, to be mentored by a skilled artisan. In France I know a master carpenter who can draw a straight line to the centimeter, by eye. He learned this, being mentored for fifteen years until he begun, his verb, to get what he called the “sensation” of the work. He got mentored by craftsmen skilled in the art of carpentry. As he put it, it takes so many years to get good at something and even then many people don’t find success, or the sensation for it. One of his friends who he saw as one of the great master carpenters just lead what he called an unlucky life. Just because he created amazing furniture doesn’t mean people bought it, or that he was able to sell it, or that he had a supportive family. He didn’t. So he failed, even though he was the most talented carpenter he ever met. He also said to me once, sometimes people are just bad at something and it takes years for them to realize because they got it into their heads they were great.

If you were to see any of his many ateliers you’d think he was mad. He throws nothing away. It drives his wife crazy because their second little house beside the one they live in is literally stuffed with stencils, and tools going back to the middle ages that he actually still uses. The first time I went into this atelier I had to sit down I was so blown away by the sheer immensity of stuff in there, everywhere. A museum within a museum and on and on. He handled each tool as he explained its use to me as if it were a baby, gently caressing it and pointing out how it was made, not by a machine, but by a human being, what he called master artists. You can’t hide imperfections in this kind of tool he’d say. They had to be made exactly, perfectly, artfully, with sensation.

Today we’ve lost this appreciation of craft as art, that is, having to put in our time to learn. It’s become demeaned by speed and lack of respect and carelessness. People literally aren’t careful. They don’t care enough to look at how an old tool is an actual work of art in itself. My neighbor back in France would never see himself as an artist. He’d frown upon being called an artist. To him, what he created was the most natural thing in the world. This natural creative appreciation goes all the way back to the Renaissance guilds in Europe. If you didn’t get into a guild you couldn’t get paid for what you created. That simple. You had a hobby, not a metier as they say in France. Even back then competition was harsh. Some people say unions are the same thing today. I don’t agree. People in unions are not thought to think, or sorry, feel the same away about wood or electricity the way my old friend does. And it makes sense because the union is there to protect the rights of the worker not to inspire them to create. It’s economic, not creative. It became more about how quick you can produce something rather than how good you created something. Now, with technology this has reached its zenith. Guilds are good and so are unions but they need to be seen for what they really are as opposed to conflated when one is more a mentoring of creation where the other is a defense of the creator. If I were to enter into the Author’s Guild it would be akin to this, but a very much watered down version of the Renaissance version, or the mentoring my friend received. Presumably I’d have to enroll in an MFA or enter through the gates of the culturally accepted avenues for that is generally the way for writers to get what I call the rubber stamp of approval. However, even though I’m not a member of the Writers Guild, I still register all my books with them, because that’s what they’re there for, to protect the writer, to strike, to defend the payment of the writer.

So, as opposed to learning how to create in my field from a guild, which no longer functions the way a guild used to, in a concrete and effective way, I learn from a very small number of living mentors, but even more so from dead ones, from the creations they created that are still alive in books and films and especially autobiographies of people in my field. Which leads me into the other thing I wanted to talk about today.

“Talent borrows, genius steals.”

There are many attributions for this “quote”. There’s even a well-known book, “Steal like an Artist”, by Austin Kleon. The main idea, that one should copy, or imitate other creators, is an idea that goes all the way back to Aristotle and Plato. They even had a word for it “mimesis”.

I read Kleon’s book, after writing the shitty first draft of my own book. One of our writers on retreat gave it to me saying, “You need to write a book like this, John.”

So, what you’re listening to was inspired by books like Kleon’s, but also Aristotle’s “Poetics” and other books that focus on creating. But the main inspiration are the many creators I’ve met at our retreat over the years. Even though Kleon’s book wasn’t where I first learned about “Talent borrows, genius steals”, I give him credit. Why? Because it’s important to give credit. If you don’t, you’re stealing in the wrong way, plagiarizing.

So, this quote: Was it Oscar Wilde? T. S. Eliot? “The Sacred Wood: Essays on Poetry and Criticism” has this: “Immature poets imitate, mature poets steal.” Picasso? Stravinsky? “Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal.” To tell the truth who cares? It’s the idea that’s inspiring, because it’s about inspiration, influence as inspiration.

People confuse this idea. They think you’re plagiarizing another creator when you “steal”. They see it as negative. But that’s not the point. The point is to steal the right way, to take an idea, image, and make it your own. To copy, borrow an image, idea, sample of music, is to simply imitate. There’s nothing wrong with being a copier. Just like Michelangelo in that church in Italy. Just don’t duplicate a creation and say it’s yours. No. Learn from other creators, like Michelangelo and every other creator before and after him has done.

Picasso, who supposedly said great artists steal, copied Manet’s “Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe”, over twenty times. Haydn taught Beethoven. Is it any wonder Beethoven’s early work sound like Haydn? Does that make Picasso a bad artist, Beethoven a bad composer? Were they plagiarists? In art courses they call it “Learning from the Masters”. You copy great works of art to see how the artist did it. Eventually you break away and find your own style.

The point is to “steal”, absorb from other creators. You have to learn from them. They will inspire you. Inspiration comes when we combine old ideas into new ones from looking at them in a different way, seeing different relationships.

This is why writers say if you want to learn how to write a book you have to read a lot of books. Musicians? Listen to a lot of music. Business people say start your own business after interning and studying others. Architects? Intern at an architecture firm.

Business people do it every day. They study the “competition”, then do what they do, but better. However, they only study the competition they’re really interested in, what they call niche markets. It’s the same with creation.

What’s your niche? Historical novels set in first century Rome? Read the competition. Soon, you’ll know your whole niche world. You then feel a part of that world. Put the amphitheater on your office wall, a centurion’s uniform, the list of emperors. Read the wonderful Marcus Aurelius every day. That world then becomes as real as the one we’re living in today. The fun is in the hunt for that world.

When I was a kid I used to copy out poems from books when I thought I wanted to be a poet. Try it. If you want to write a business plan you copy the business plans of others. Again, you don’t build a house without a plan. You can, but you’re probably going to end up with a few walls or windows in the wrong place.

Look at all the painters in museums copying the masters. There’s a reason they’re there. You have to find out how they did it. The best way to do that? Copy. Soon enough the copying will disappear and you will appear, your creation will appear. When you were sitting in a classroom they made you copy the letters off the blackboard.

As I said before, Shakespeare only wrote his first play after acting, directing, and managing a theater for over ten years. He learned by doing, like every musician and school kid since. As Emerson once wrote of Shakespeare: “Genius borrows nobly.” He said Shakespeare was more original than the originals he copied. “He breathed upon dead bodies and brought them into life.”

Who you copy is your decision. It’s easy. Who do you love? Now, what thing have they created, what book, business? Study it, copy it. Repeat it for other creators you love in the field you love.

You become what the Muses called “possessed”, by the new possession you’ve stolen, to create new work, new creations. Take inspiration from everywhere. Bits and pieces of things you see in magazines, books, online, stuff in the street. Put it all together to create your own work. Or be like Truffaut with Hitchcock. Interview your idols if you can, or other creators in your field. Learn from them. Cameron Crowe did the same. He interviewed the great Billy Wilder.

Be curious. Again, as curious as a child. At first it may be confusing, but with time it will make more and more sense. Don’t trust me, trust the masters who went before us.

We didn’t become retreat directors in a foreign country after doing a three year course in the hospitality business. I had no skills. I had no idea what it all meant. I, we, just did it. We renovated, marketed, hosted, created it all by doing. We got out of our comfort zone. Your skills have to get better to get to a new level of competency in what you want to do. Are you stretching yourself?

There’s an old Roman proverb that goes something like this: “If a man were able to see his whole life he’d never live it.” If I’d known how difficult it was going to be to create a retreat I would never have started it in the first place. I would probably have decided to keep working at “Vanity Fair”.

You always have to be challenging your skill-set. If you don’t know how to do something, learn. How do you learn? Copy, read, steal from the masters. Get their skills, to the best of your ability.

So thanks for listening. I started with a quote from a Russian ballerina, but like last time, I’m going to end this episode with an Irish proverb. This one literally means:

Don’t show your teeth until you can bite.

Ná nocht d’fhiacla go bhféadair an greim do bhreith.

This podcast is supported by you the listener via my Patreon page. If ya want to support the podcast and help me get paid for doing it then please head over to patreon.com/johnfanning where you can get early and ad free access as well as extra episodes when ya sign up. Ifya can afford it then give me the cost of a price of a cup of tea or pint once a month. Ifya can’t afford it that’s grand too, ya can listen for free, but please subscribe to it on iTunes or wherever you listen to it and leave a review on itunes too or wherever ya listen to it and let your friends know about it so the listenership grows. Thank you! And thanks for listening. If you’re looking for more episodes you can find them on all the usual places like iTunes – or on my website at johnfanning.me under “podcast” where I’ve put up overview transcripts with links to all the people and ideas I mention. If you’re into social stuff and you’re looking to engage with me one-on-one, check me out on twitter @fanning_j and instagram @ johnfanning. It’s been great sharing stuff with you today so until next time take care out there and be benevolent when you can!

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Episode 18: Enthusiasm, Passion and Madness

September 4, 2020 By John Fanning

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Much Madness is divinest Sense —
To a discerning Eye —
Much Sense — the starkest Madness —
‘Tis the Majority
In this, as All, prevail —
Assent — and you are sane —
Demur — you’re straightway dangerous —
And handled with a Chain —

That’s a quote from The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson.

I’m John Fanning and this is the Create with John Fanning podcast.

How’s it goin out there. Hope all is well.

This is Episode 18 of my series of episodes on creativity, based around my book Create.

Last time I spoke about the Dancer and the Dance, about doing what you love, and today I want to talk about enthusiasm, passion and madness, because passion and madness are often seen as Walls away from Imagination and creativity when in fact they are really Doors towards it, towards creativity and Imagination.

For example, I write because of something greater than myself, what I see as this kind of passionate, enthusiastic madness inside of me. The word enthusiasm actually means “the god inside” from the Greek, “entheos,” or “en-theo”. So writing is this passionate, enthusiastic madness that comes from the god inside me. Why else would I keep secreting myself into a room on my own, away from my family and friends and fun? It has to be a kind of madness, and a passion — a suffering. This is what the latin word “passio”, where passion comes from, means, to suffer.

I used to always see this as a negative, some kind of illness, affliction, that I was unable to simply be content, to watch TV, to play outside in the snow more, like other Dads and husbands and friends. Until one day, walking through the woods, I had an epiphany — it’s okay. It’s okay to be passionate, enthusiastic, mad. Indeed, it was then that I realized that all the people I’ve ever loved have been passionate, enthusiastic people, people who are a little mad, but in a good way. Now, I see enthusiasm as a word connected to the joyful expression of creation, the fun, like a child playing enthusiastically in the sand, or a Picasso turning a rusty saddle and handlebars into a “Bull’s Head”.

In the Phaedrus, Socrates says there are four types of enthusiasm or “holy madness” — prophecy, the mystic rites, poetry and science, and the madness of love. So, when we’re enthusiastic we are experiencing inspiration, something sacred, mystical, poetic, prophetic. And how enthusiastic we become depends on how inspired we are. The point is that we understand that there’s something powerful coming from inside us that needs to express itself, Imagination, a passionate and enthusiastic madness. Carl Jung, in his Red Book, talks about this. He writes this:

Be silent and listen: have you recognized your madness and do you admit it? Have you noticed that all your foundations are completely mired in madness? Do you not want to recognize your madness and welcome it in a friendly manner? You wanted to accept everything. So accept madness too. Let the light of your madness shine, and it will suddenly dawn on you. Madness is not to be despised and not to be feared, but instead you should give it life… Madness is a special form of the spirit and clings to all teachings and philosophies, but even more to daily life, since life itself is full of craziness and at bottom utterly illogical. Man strives toward reason only so that he can make rules for himself. Life itself has no rules. That is its mystery and its unknown law. What you call knowledge is an attempt to impose something comprehensible on life.

So, what I get from that is that whatever your intuition (your in-teaching) excites, whatever excites you, from inside you, it is a form of madness, a mad enthusiasm, which is positive, healthy. The role of the imagination is to create from this healthy madness, meanings from the meaningless, to discover connections that could look obvious but were before somehow amorphous, because the Imagination begins with intuition, not thinking, the mind, intellect.

I don’t trust the mind, but I do trust that excitement, that mad enthusiasm, and I try to follow it into creation, irrespective of how mad other people see it to be. Anyway, positive madness, especially in this other form of technological and mechanized world of 24/7 madness, is not just necessary, but imperative.

I don’t mean some kind of Dionysian carnivalesque letting go, getting stoned out of your mind, or heading to the nearest bar. No, not hysteria, but ecstasy, the way the ancient Greeks meant it, to literally stand outside yourself, to remove yourself elsewhere, “ek” meaning “out”, and “stasis” meaning to stand. To stand out. To free yourself from the “normal”. It means embracing the unconscious you, consciously. To rationally “see” your emotions, the inner vision, with your eyes. To stop allowing iPhones, computers and whatever other devices creating Walls from getting you in touch with, or opening doors to the world inside you.

And what is inside you, besides organs and fluids? I call it Spirit. You could call it nothing. Again, you might call it the unconscious, the Mind, the soul. I call it Spirit, because it literally comes out of the word inspiration, “in spirito”. I’ll talk about this a lot more in a later episode, but for now what I mean is that Spirit speaks from another part of us than the mind. The battle, the Wall, is to let go of the mind, so we can listen to the quiet inspirational voice of “madness” in the mind, to get inspired. Each creator has to get “out of their wits”, to quote Plato, out of their minds, to create.

Inspiration, getting out of our wits, getting irrational, is where all great creations come from. So, let the computer, or whatever device, be a tool to extend your irrational ideas, impulses, words inside you out into the world, not to “protect” you from your inner world.

In a letter written in Arles to his brother, Theo, in 1888 Vincent van Gogh had this to say:

Ah, my dear brother, sometimes I know so clearly what I want. In life and in painting too, I can easily do without the dear Lord, but I can’t, suffering as I do, do without something greater than myself, which is my life, the power to create.


And if frustrated in this power physically, we try to create thoughts instead of children; in that way, we’re part of humanity all the same. And in a painting I’d like to say something consoling, like a piece of music. I’d like to paint men or women with that ‘je ne sais quoi’ of the eternal, of which the halo used to be the symbol, and which we try to achieve through the radiance itself, through the vibrancy of our colorations.

There is a lot in these two paragraphs. Some would call it crazy mad. I call it inspired madness, positive madness. A creator expressing his Spirit through his creations and the creations expressing spirit through him. But above all it’s his mad enthusiasm, his passion, his “suffering”, to do something greater than himself which is what gives him “the power to create”.

When you hit a Wall, know you will keep going. Passion will get you through. You will suffer through the Wall. Passion will dissolve it. Madness will dissolve it. Enthusiasm will dissolve it. Inspiration will dissolve it. It is a passion and enthusiasm for what Plato called form, or forms, to trans-form the world inside, into a new form, outside. The beauty of sunflowers into a painting, like van Gogh, the “elegance” of mathematics into a theory of Relativity, like Einstein.

Out of the chaos of passion comes the passion transformed into a creation, “trans” coming from the latin meaning “on the other side of”. The creator’s passion, by inspiration, moves beauty or elegance onto the other side, from their inner world to this outer world of objects.

You suffer through each Wall. In fact, Walls can be exciting as they give you problems to overcome which fuels your inspiration even more. Unlike the modern interpretation of passion, which usually means something romantic, passion is the drive to do what you love. Allow your passion for doing what you love to empower you to forget the modern passion for “addictions”.

Certain creators take pains to create in ways that their work can be easily understood, accessible to someone on the train into work, or bored on a beach, but wouldn’t it be wonderful to have someone be absorbed, made ecstatic by your creation, like the passion in a van Gogh painting or a Michelangelo sculpture or your favorite writer or artist or musician?

Technique and talent are important, but passion, madness and enthusiasm are fundamental.

If you start using words like inspiration, madness, enthusiasm, Spirit, people either don’t respond, or change the subject by using lexical prisons like “Oh, that’s interesting”. This demeans conversation into statement only, and dissolves your passion into flatness. How can we ever arrive at a new positive thesis, a new creation, passionately, when the response is not a response but a flat Wall?

Look for mentors, peers who use enthusiastic, inspired, passionate, mad! They’re probably black sheep like you. They don’t allow lexical prisons to be another Wall against creation. They dissolve the Walls of lexical prisons by being enthusiastic, passionate, mad, by embracing the Imagination, moving towards it, not away from it. You may not find too many of them, but when you find one they inspire you, enthuse you with passion and positive madness, because in the end mentors are like friends, like books, I’d rather have one great one than a library of bad ones.

So thanks for listening. I started with a quote from an American poet, but like last time, I’m going to end this episode with an Irish proverb. This one literally means:

The eye must drain what pains the heart.

Or, Tears must drain what pains the heart.

In Irish words are arranged differently than English so that when we say we’re sad in Irish the literal translation means “sadness is on me” but in English English that’d be a detached “I am sorry”. The same goes with this proverb. There is more emotion, and a cleansing of the suffering heart through tears.

An rud a ghoilleas ar an gcroí caithfidh an t-súil é a shileas.

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Slán libh agus go n-éirí an bóthar libh.

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